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ACE Debate 10R 2016


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Change Offensive Mascots Mascot Freedom
Debate Score:53
Arguments:34
Total Votes:84
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Change Mascots

Change Offensive Mascots

Side Score: 35
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Mascot Freedom

Side Score: 18
4 points

Americans only see their point of view but the Indians feel different. If you look at their point they said they don't feel honored for example a full-blooded American Indian went to a Redskins game and became so offended from the mascot she became teary eyed and asked to leave the game. It's a pro football game some people never get to see one so she has to be very offended. Also sometimes it can bring up dark memories from Indians past. For example, Redskins reminds them when at one point said white settlers could earn bounty money for each Indian Scalp( it's the skin covering the head, not including the face). Also, Clara Standing Soldier said cartoon Indian Mascots remind her of Nazi or Japanese being captured in camps in world war II.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21nbarlow(10) Disputed
1 point

According to Dan Snyder, owner of the Redskins team, the name was chosen in 1933 to honor Native Americans in general and the coach and four players at that time who were Native American. Back in 1933 they actually felt honored, so they should still now.

Side: Mascot Freedom
4 points

Lots of people say that mascots are treated with respect. But are they really people don't like mascots because of who they are representing. Only if it's the team you like so basically they just want your autograph and photo with you because of the team your on. So they treat them poorly they only care for the team they represent so that's pretty low. Also sometimes fight songs and chants can be pretty offensive you may sometimes not realize it. Some people don't realize it because they don't pay attention to the words that much. For example, the Redskins fight song says "scalp the Indians" now if you asked people at the game many would probably pretty clueless. That's why I think mascots are not treated well.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21nwittman(4) Disputed
1 point

He said that mascots aren't treated with respect and they should change them,but I think that they shouldn't. I think this is that it can be an honor to some. Eunice Davidson a Spirt Lake member told the New York Times " I am very, very honored that they would use the name." This can show that not everyone is offended by the names, only some people are. Said by Honor or Insult? Something else is that Florida State University kept it's nickname the Seminoles after the fact that the Seminoles tribes showed support for them, showing that not only do people like it but some tribes like it too.Said by Honor or Insult? Therefore they should beable to keep there mascots because it is an honor

Side: Mascot Freedom
3 points

I think that Native American Mascots are racist because they can create harmful stereotypes. The Cleveland Indians logo of chief Wahoo reduced native Americans to cartoon and war chant. Also, the Atlanta Braves do their tomahawk chop, showing we are not real people. A second reason that I think that Native American Mascots are racist is because they are a sign of disrespect. Groups supporting Wisconsin law say native American sports references are insulting, and each tribe has their own cultures and traditions. Another piece of evidence is that opponents of these mascots say they show American Indian culture in a cartoonish way. A third reason why I think that Native American Mascots are racist is because they can create havoc. One piece of evidence is that before a mascot get banned in Wisconsin, a resident must first file a complaint and if that complaint goes through then they may be havoc in that area. My second piece of evidence is that members of Spirit Lake Sioux tribe sued the university of North Dakota to keep the fighting Sioux name.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21nbarlow(10) Disputed
1 point

You may say that it is disrespectful, but actually, it should be considered as a sign of respect for the ethnic group. Plenty of other ethnic teams exist such as Vikings, Spartans, and Fighting Irish. Nobody seems to view those names as racist or insulting. Ethnic team names are just a reflection of America’s richly mixed culture - from Indian Mascots: Should They Stay or Go? I think that saying that it is disrespectful is like saying that animal mascots are disrespectful to animals and that a trojan mascot is offending Ancient Greece, and it isn't.

Side: Mascot Freedom
21nwittman(4) Disputed
1 point

He says that Native American Mascots are racist but I think that they are an honor. Eunice Davidson a Spirit Lake member told the New York Times " I am very, very honored that they would use the name." So to some of the Native Americans it is not racist, it is an honor. Therefore, they are not racist, they are an honor

Side: Mascot Freedom
2 points

Mascots like the Redskins are offensive to the native American culture. Teams like the Redskins offend anyone with native American blood, like Mr.Cooper. According to a panel: Native Mascots Devalues Culture. Mr.Cooper was with his daughter at a high school football game, when the other team's cheerleader came out on the field looking like a native American. She had a feathered headdress and a buckskin clothing. When Mr. Cooper and his daughter saw the teenager flip around they became so offended that Mr. Coopers daughter started to tear up and cry. Also, what the cheerleader didn't know was that each feather on the headdress was a life taken in battle. People that do believe that native Americans would be proud of this need to think about if someone was making fun of them would they want to have that person stop or just let it continue.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21nbarlow(10) Disputed
2 points

This is definitely something to consider, especially if they keep the mascot. If these mascots stay, people will be able to learn about them, and learn that these cultures are unique and should be valued. They will understand what their mascot means and why they chose it originally.

Side: Mascot Freedom
2 points

Some people don't think that it that it's such a big deal and say why does it matter but it does really may a big impact. Like if someone sees them they may say mean stuff to them just because of that mascot or game. Also, they are humans too it's not right to make them into mascots and parade them like a trophy. That's what they do and they have broadcasted 162 games in a season do the Indians have to get put up with them being made fun of. They just have a different culture or custom just like African American we don't make them into mascots and disrespect them. Because that's what they have been doing to Indians so probably when you look at it that way sounds bad. That's why it is such a big deal to them.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
2 points

You say controversial mascots aren't a problem, but I think controversial mascots should be changed because they can offend people, they can change what people think about themselves, and they can give kids a bad example.

Firstly, the clothes the mascots wear can offend people. When a Native American saw a mascot made to look like another Native American, he said, "his daughter because so offended, her eyes filled with tears and she asked if they could leave." (Panel: Native American Mascots Devalues Culture). In the same article, (Panel: Native American Mascots Devalues Culture), the man claims the school with the offensive mascot didn't know about real Native Americans. ". . . making a mockery of us." He said this while referring to the mascot's headdress, knowing that everyone around him had no idea of the meaning of the headdress, which is made for Native Americans in battle. Each feather symbolises the loss of a life. Most people don't notice small details such as this, but for a real Native American, these details can be offensive.

Another reason offensive or controversial mascots should be changed is because they can change what people think about themselves. People, like Native Americans, might not be as proud of themselves and who they are after seeing a mascot made to look like them. "The symbols may also affect how young Native Americans view themselves" (Are Native American Mascots Racist?). Also, seeing an offensive mascot made to look like someone can affect their whole lives because they just think that everyone thinks of them as a joke or that they are someone who doesn't deserve to have the same rights as everyone else. "After seeing American Indian mascots, the students reported having a lower self-esteem. They were also less likely to predict that they would get good grades, graduate and find a job." (Are Native American Mascots racist?) Offensive mascots can change someone's life more than most people think.

Finally, offensive mascots can give kids a bad example. While talking about stereotypical Native American mascots, a man says "They're supposed to be teaching kids to respect other cultures" (Arab-Americans cry foul over California high school mascot). Kids shouldn't be taught to think of mascots made to look like people -- people who deserve just as many rights as we do -- as just a mascot. Just as someone who is there to make sports more fun. The same man (mentioned above) wrote a letter to te California high school "describing the mascot as 'harmful' and 'demeaning'" (Arab-Americans cry foul over California high school mascot). Offensive mascots can be giving kids a bad example.

All of these reasons are proof that offensive mascots should be changed. Clothing can offend people, they can change what they think about themselves, and they can give a bad example. Offensive mascots should be changed.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
2 points

They should change controversial school mascots because most people don't like it. One reason is because their names can be offensive to many people. Some evidence is that Pro football team Washington Redskins are offensive because they refer to African Americans as colored. And I agree this is offensive. Also, another piece of evidence is that the San Diego State University Aztecs is a "strong tribal name" and it is offensive to many people. And I agree with that because that is a strong tribal name and is very offensive as well. And another reason is that they can be stereotypical to many people. One piece of evidence is that the Atlanta Braves do their tomahawk chop and-and that is stereotypical to American Indians. I also agree with this because it is very stereotypical. And another piece of evidence is "representing us as characters is very toxic for Native Americans" Suzan Harjo tells JS. And another reason is they can be a sign of disrespect. One piece of evidence is groups supporting the Wisconsin law say Native Americans sports references are insulting. I agree with this because like the tomahawk chop that the Atlanta Braves did is insulting just like that. And another piece of evidence is a lot of Indian Mascots dress up in a cartoonish and is very disrespectful. I also agree with this. And my counterclaim is to the other side is They should change bad school mascots because they can be very offensive. One piece of evidence is the Washington Redskins are offensive and refer to African Americans as colored. And another piece of evidence is the SDSU Aztecs is offensive to many people. I agree with both of those pieces of evidence. In conclusion, they should change controversial mascots because they can be bad. With all the evidence I think that they should change them.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
2 points

Americans only see their point of view but the Indians feel different. If you look at their point they said they don't feel honored. From the source Panel: Native American Mascots Devalues Culture, a full-blooded American Indian went to a Redskins game and became so offended from the mascot she became teary eyed and asked to leave the game. It's a pro football game some people never get to see one so she has to be very offended. Also sometimes it can bring up dark memories from Indians past. From the source Indian Mascots: Should They Stay Or Go, Redskins reminds them when at one point said white settlers could earn bounty money for each Indian Scalp( it's the skin covering the head, not including the face). Also, Clara Standing Soldier said cartoon Indian Mascots remind her of Nazi or Japanese being captured in camps in world war II.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
2 points

One reason is that their names can be offensive to some people. One piece of evidence is that "Pro football team Washington Redskins are offensive because they refer to African Americans as colored." That is from Native American Mascots Devalues culture. That is a strong piece of evidence because it says they are offensive and I think that they are offensive as well. And another piece of evidence is that "The San Diego State University Aztecs is a "strong tribal name" and is offensive to many people." I agree with this as well because it is offensive as well too.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

If people are taking offense to mascot names they should have to be changed. It can be harmful to cultures, for example, the Redskins now people see Native Americans different just because of a name of a mascot. The biggest case of this happening is the Redskins but it has happened much more time with high schools and colleges. The Natives of this tribe have taken high offense to the name of the Redskins and want it changed but the NFL have decided to not changed it. Some people say that it is a way of honoring them but if they don't take it as honoring them, they should have to change it.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

Another reason is that is stereotypical to many races. One piece of evidence is "The Atlanta Braves do their tomahawk chop is stereotypical to many American Indians." Another piece of evidence is that "Depicting us as characters are very toxic for Native Americans" Suzan Harjo tells JS. I also agree with this.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

Schools or teams with Native American mascots are creating harmful stereotypes. According to the article "Panel: Native American Mascots Devalues Culture," a man named Mr. Cooper who is a full-blooded Native American brought his daughter to a football game. He saw a cheerleader dressed in a headdress and buckskin clothing and was highly offended. In fact, his daughter became so offended "her eyes filled with tears and she asked if they could leave." The cheerleader didn't understand that every feather in the headdress represented a life that was taken in battle. Also, according to "Are Native American Mascots Racist?" a Native American man says "Every time the Atlanta Braves do their tomahawk chop, we are not real people. WE are no longer successful businessmen, doctors, soldiers, co-workers, or neighbors. To the fan, we exist only in the 1800s as a warrior culture." In conclusion, many Native Americans feel offended with schools and teams mascot choices and therefore, we should change them to be less offensive and more accurate.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

At a certain point it will become good business sense, if nothing else. Well structured and deliberate rebranding is an expense, but usually a well oriented one if the original branding becomes mired in controversy. Other business enterprises do it, why not the athletic industry?

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
2 points

One reason is because it is a tribute to them. The names or some of the teams can be a reminder of the root. The name can tell about the history or the town, or the state. I can make some people even feel good about their town and what it is. Said byAre Native American Mascots Racist? It could also make the fans feel a loss because they have been a fan or the team since they were little. For a long time fan, it can be hard for the team that they love so much to have a name and mascot change.Said by Indian Mascots should they Stay or Go?

Side: Mascot Freedom
21ilindholm(3) Disputed
1 point

She said that is a tribute to them. But I disagree and some of them are racist. Because "the San Diego State University Aztecs is a "strong tribal name" and is offensive and racist to many people. That is from the article Mind your own mascots. I agree with this because it is racist. And it is not a tribute to them.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21akowald(2) Disputed
1 point

Tasha says that having Native American mascots is a tribute to them but I disagree with this. Many Native Americans find these stereotypes offensive. According to "Arab-Americans Cry Foul Over California High School Mascot," a tribe representative says "We do not deserve to be called redskins. We deserve to be treated as what we are - Americans." Therefore, many Native Americans find these mascots offensive and don't see them as a tribute to them.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

Teams should be able to keep their mascots.

One reason is that other teams are doing it besides the ones with Indian names

Names like the Vikings and Spartans are not viewed as racist. This means that all team names that are named after a group of people should change. Said by Indian Mascots Should they Stay or Go? Ethnic team names are a reflection of America's richly mixed culture. This means that the team names show America and there passed. Said by Indian Mascots Should they Stay or Go?

Side: Mascot Freedom
RAPSrgoat Disputed
1 point

She said that teams should be able to keep their mascots because other teams are not viewed as racist. But I disagree because native mascots are a sign of disrespect. Groups supporting Wisconsin Law say native aAmerican sports references are insulting. Also, each tribe has their own cultures and traditions. Therefore, Native American mascots are signs of disrespect.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
hayden_clark Disputed
0 points

21nwittman says that mascots should be free because there are other names, but the Viking's mascot doesn't offend anyone, and there are a lot fewer Vikings and Spartans then there are Native Americans. Also, you are saying that there are other racist mascots. If I am correct you are going against your whole idea.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

Mascots represent, dilate, and show identity to a large group of people who work hard, think together, and work as a team. Mascots are extremely important in the sports industry and also in the working industry because they show true character and importance. This being said, mascots are extremely hard to pick because of tough judgement, history of the team/business/school, and popularity. Therefore it us understandable that some team names aren't as good as others but having a team name that discriminates against a certain race is wrong. Team names need to stay racial free and keep everybody happy no matter race or colour.

"Redskins" is the team name of a baseball and football to the home of Washington. Barbra Munson is a member of the Oneida tribe of Indians of Wisconsin and she told scholastic news "American Indian mascots and logos promote negative stereotypes". This is an American Indian who doesn't want to be judged by the color of her skin and cares for all people who are like her. Some people think that the name honors the Native Americans but it only makes them feel more different from the world, like they stand out in such a bad way that they need to be punished by being made fun of. This is wrong and inhumane to the Native American society, because it puts them at a point where they feel uncomfortable.

A long time ago the team name wasn't thought of as much but due to modern development, a large percentage is against discrimination in anyway shape or form. NOT DONE!!!

Side: Mascot Freedom
21sjohnson Disputed
1 point

The Mascots can be offensive to the people that they are named after. For example in the article Native American Mascots Devalues Culture, it talks about how the people that the rRdskins are named after have gotten offend by the name Redskins and have asked to have it changed. The NFL has decided not to change it to somethings else. I think that this is wrong because if the people that it is named after have taken offense to it and want it changed, it should have to be changed.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
RAPSrgoat Disputed
1 point

He said that Native American mascots are not a sign of disrespect, but I disagree because groups supporting Wisconsin Law say native American sports references are insulting. Each tribe has there own cultures and traditions. Therefore mascots can be a sign of disrespect.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

Schools should have freedom of their mascots because having these mascots honors the ethnic group. According to Indian Mascots: Should They Stay or Go? “A team selects an American Indian mascot because it identifies positive qualities, such as bravery, honor, and pride, with Indians.” This means that teams choose mascots because of positive qualities, like honor, bravery, and pride. "Many people see Indians as a sign of respect for Native Americans," says the article Honor or Insult? This is how it should be, not as a sign of disrespect.

Side: Mascot Freedom
-1 points

Schools should have freedom of their mascot because if it changes, teams could lose money and fans. According to Indian Mascots: Should They Stay or Go? "In some cases, schools or professional teams might even suffer financial losses after changing their mascots, since alumni and old fans might lose interest in the school or team and stop paying for tickets or making donations." In other words, people will become uninterested in the team and stop giving money to them.

Side: Mascot Freedom
1 point

In addition, According to Mind Your Own Mascot, San Diego State University had a vote to keep the Aztec mascot, and "95% of the student body backed the Aztec. The school’s alumni association, meanwhile, fielded hundreds of phone calls from SDSU graduates, some of whom implied that future donations would be jeopardized by a mascot change." This proves that most school alumni and fans will stop giving money to the school.

Side: Mascot Freedom
21ilindholm(3) Disputed
0 points

Yes because is might be a financial loss but teams are probably already losing money to people because it is offensive to those people. Like because when Suzan Harjo said " Depicting us as characters is very toxic of Native Americans." And those people who stay statements like that to those teams, those teams who are offensive to those people can be offensive and then they will not support the team and not pay for that team.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
hayden_clark Disputed
0 points

While 21nbarlow states that schools or professional teams might lose money. I think they should still change the mascot because it is racist and insulting to those people. According to Honor or Insult, schools have already changed their name to Stanford University. They changed their racist name and they don't seem to be affected by it. Also over 2000 high schools and colleges have stopped using Native American mascots and symbols. All your saying is that fans may get uninterested in the team because of the change in mascots, but you never state that they ever would. Like I said before over 2,000 high schools have changed and none of them have been affected very much.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
-2 points
1 point

In addition, Frank Cloutier, a member of the Saginaw Chippewa Indian tribe of Michigan says that “If we take a zero tolerance [policy] on mascots, we walk away from the opportunity to teach and the opportunity to learn,” Cloutier says. “If we do it appropriately, the sky’s the limit when it comes to the knowledge that can be shared.” - From the article Are Native American Mascots Racist.

Side: Mascot Freedom